Syndicators and Fund Managers Predict the Future: Understanding Real Estate Cycles
About two years ago, I had a
training program for people with
the top of their career in real
estate, primarily real estate
professionals, or insecurities
itself, who wanted to make the
leap into real estate
syndication. So these were your
a level players who wanted to be
the a level players in real
estate syndication and real
estate funds. So I put together
this video, this is one of our
rapid implementation calls,
again, it's about two years ago.
But it what it walks you through
is the market analysis that goes
through and I'm talking about
the market cycles, not
individual markets themselves,
but about some of the thought
processes that went on and
what's going on at the macro
time. At that point, you'll see
some my predictions were
completely true. And
occasionally, they were not
didn't come quite as true as I
had thought they would. But
certainly, the information is
valid. What's important here is
not what that specific
information was at that time.
But it's the thought process
that went into how we look at
the market cycle and where we're
at at the market cycle. To begin
with, when we're making
predictions about the future,
which is what we're doing in
securities, when we're doing
when we put together an
investment vehicle is we're
trying to make a prediction
about what's going to happen in
the future. So that there's some
sort of gain for our investors,
and ultimately, for us as well.
So this is part of that thought
process. So I hope you find this
video useful, because this is
how I think about things in
terms of what's important when
it comes to money where we're at
in any sort of market cycle. And
I know you'll find it useful.
So there are four stages in any
market cycle. And they can be
drawn as a circle, or they can
be drawn as they can be drawn
linearly like this. For our
purposes, though, I'm going to
draw it as a circle, because
that's the way I am used to it.
So we have a market cycle. And
there are four distinct phases
within that cycle. So we have
this period here, which is our
recovery. And so everything
here, by the way, is going this
way.
So we're going that way. So
recovery. So after the Great
Recession, things were stable
for a while, they were pretty
low, and then they slowly slowly
rebuilding up. And then we went
into this expansion stage. And
then after a point, it expands
and expands and expands. And
what happens if you like blow up
a balloon too much. It just
can't expand any more. Enter
hyper supply. In the after that
that phase of the market, we
finally if I press play, it
starts going down, right,
because there's too much and we
enter a recession. I'm not going
with the technical definition of
a recession. Because if you look
at a technical definition of a
recession, we've been in a
recession for a while. So
recession is where GDP does not
match inflation, it's negative.
And I would argue that by any
reasonable measure of inflation,
not the ones currently being
used, we probably have been in
recession for a while. And so we
just keep pumping money in so
we're in this weird sort of
recessionary, expansionary phase
right now, of the market. So
what happens in these in this
part of the market? Well, let's
talk about what happens kind of
here. And the expansion stage so
we have rents rising. rents go
up, and construction levels go
up
just click on this because I
can't see. There we go. Alright,
rents go up, construction levels
go up. At some point in that
cycle. We start getting this
high rent in a tight market.
Sound familiar? Because I said
we're in a recession But we're
also in this expansion stage.
And I don't think we're quite
into hyper supply yet, but I
think many markets are, are are
seeing it. Now new construction
takes place everywhere from here
on all the way over to here in
general because the cycle of
building takes so long, so the
smart developers started
developing early on down here.
But then their projects may not
have gotten approved until over
here. And so suddenly, now
they're in hyper supply, they
still need to deliver that
building. But it's been
difficult in this phase, so let
me just back up a little bit
alright, so that's what happens
during an expansion period. Now
what happens during the hyper
supply period is we start seeing
positive rent growth
but declining
right, so that steeps that's
going down now this is all as it
relates to commercial real
estate and I'm gonna make an
argument a little bit in just a
little bit that this also
applies equally to residential
real estate and kind of all
markets as well. What happens in
a recession? Oh, we have way
increasing vacancy. Competition
goes way up. And by this we mean
it's either a renters market.
Actually, let's just renters is
kind of vague. So let's put
tenants market or it's a buyers
market
and what happens in a expansion
stage is it is definitely a
landlord market
and a seller's market
All right, so after vacancy goes
up, competition go is going up.
Finally, we enter this new phase
of the recovery. And so finally
we are vacancy reaches its
maximum here.
And let's call this max
occupancy.
And somewhere in here is
probably the point at which its
maximum rent, probably somewhere
around here.
And then, in the maximum, you
can see this is the lowest
trends.
Alright, during that recovery
phase, we have a, we have
increasing big I'm sorry, we
have a declining vacancy. No new
construction, right? No new
construction is taking place.
They're declining vacancy, but
rents stay fairly stable.
I really don't start increasing
until that vacancy factor here
drives down to such a level that
there's enough demand in the
market in order to create in
order to charge higher rents. So
why this is hot on my mind right
now is last week on you and I
decided that we it just doesn't
make sense at this point to move
to North Carolina. which bothers
me greatly. I wish it weren't
true. Because I really really
was looking forward to going
number one sec. Okay. So why did
we make that decision? Well,
it's because of this it It's
because of this market cycle. So
if you look at the market cycle,
we are in this really strange
period. And I'm sure you've
noticed this, that we're in this
period where there's definitely
some recession going on. And
I'll prove that in just a
minute. And then there is
definitely this weird kind of
expansion. Because where do
those, those two interact? Like,
if you looked at a Venn diagram,
it's actually this weird
interaction point.
Between the two that that makes
us puts us right here in this
weird middle space, and that
middles weird middle space is
inflation. Right, because if we
look at the pure definition of
recession, not the not the one
that I'm using here, but if we
look at the pure definition,
where we've got we are in a
recession. Recession if
if GDP is less than quantity of
GDP.
I'm sorry, I did read that
backwards. If GDP is I totally
botched that if GDP minus
recession minus inflation
is greater than a backwards sign
is greater than zero. Right. So
why do I think that the
inflation is greater than zero
right now? So the Raleigh market
kinda capitalizes on it. But
you've noticed it too. One of
the main expenditures in most
families between 30% and 50% of
their annual income is their
house is their housing right
now. Well, rents right now are
extremely high. And new home
prices are extremely high.
Right? They're big, big
expenses. The cost of goods
right now is really, really
high. goods.
Goods costs are really, really
high. They're way higher than
they were before. Just a you
know, just a silly example. A
candle. A very boring candle was
on that was available last year,
that on your bought and liked
was was $19. The same candle is
now $29. Does that make sense?
On the on the on the cost of a
new home. So a home that that is
comparable to what we are
looking at. Wood was going for
$174 a square foot in March.
This was when we were last in
Raleigh. Right. And it it's sold
in March for $174.
Unfortunately, we weren't the
ones that bought it. Because it
was a great house and we should
have bought it. But that $174 in
March is now completely shot.
And now the market is over $350
a square foot that's a symbol
for square foot $350 a square
foot. I mean it's doubled the
cost. Now, when you've got
something that looks like a
spike. I mean, you've got this
arrow right here makes sense. So
you've got this graph here and
here you've got price per square
foot and you're taking into
account 2% rent growth annually.
So we're taking In the Account
2%, nothing crazy. Right? If you
look at at the trendline, it
looks like boom, it looks like
that. Now, does that make any
sense at all? Or does that look
like an unstable market? I would
posit that that is such so
irrational, that we have long
since left this expansionary
period. Even though we've got
high rents still, we're in that
tight market. I think that this
kind of right here, that cannot
last. That means that we've got
this period where we've got this
declining coming really, really
soon. Because there's also this
inflation that's pulling
everything down. In there's
nothing that we mortals can do
about it. Inflation is pulling
everything down, and the bottom
is got to fall out. And now why
is it possible that this can
happen? So I don't, as you have
probably noticed, I don't make
political comments here. But I
can make a political comment
about both parties, both major
parties. And I don't have any
problem doing that. Because, as
a side note, my typical, what
people when they asked me what
my political affiliation is, I
typically say whatever my
clients affiliation, that's,
that's, that's typically my
answer. So I keep that private
and to myself, but we've got
when you've got this, you've got
the Fed, who clearly cannot be
scoffing at the at the value of
what inflation currently is.
Right? So they are seeing
they've got excellent data
sources, they see this inflation
that's happening in this
country, and their mandate isn't
neutral unemployment.
The United States neutral
unemployment is not relevant to
what the Fed is trying to do.
The Fed only job its mandate by
its what how it was called out
was to have a stable growth and
decrease with minimal inflation.
So instead, what is the Fed
doing the Fed points out the
fact well, but we've got this
COVID situation that's going on
for some time. And so we really
need to just keep pumping money
and money and money into the
system. I mean, the loan on our
house right now is 3.5% on a 30
year fixed. A building that that
I know of that's owned, is now
at as seven years commercial
building, seven years on it, and
its rent is 3.75% which is way
below the cost of inflation.
Right, it's below the value of
inflation, and it's below the
cost of it's below the predicted
growth of our economy. So what's
below that mark? So yet, the
bank is the Fed is encouraging
banks to keep pumping money into
the economy to keep this rent
low to keep these mortgages low,
but it isn't working because
rents are sky high, because the
money is low, so landlords drive
them as high as they can. And
then home prices are sky high.
Because the Fed keeps pumping
money into the system and
keeping prices low, which is
driving up inflation. All right.
So it doesn't make any sense
where things are at. So when we
had originally thought, okay,
perfect, we can go from you
know, a place that I, I'm would
rather like to leave called
California, where we've got
what's going to be fairly soon a
16% state income tax. And we've
got a standard of living that is
less than good. We can talk
about that offline if anyone
wants to. So we got a less than
great standard of living, we
have. And all for what, and we
have earthquakes, all for all
for what? And, but then I look
over at. And we have really high
prices, right. So our price per
square foot is somewhere around
$750 a square foot right now.
And residential. And I'm sorry,
this has turned into a
discussion on residential real
estate. But it's what's on my
mind right now. And it all
relates to exactly what you're
doing. Because you got to find
opportunities. And but if you
don't know why the market is,
and aren't paying attention to
where the market is, it's going
to be difficult to find
opportunities. So and we've got
North Carolina here, which has
about a 5% income tax, in some
ways, a better standard of
living. Well, but we've got real
estate here. That's two times
where it was just six months
ago. Is that right? Six, yeah,
six months ago. Versus here
where it's a ridiculous steal
10%, where it was six months
ago? Well, let's think about
what's going to happen when the
bottom falls out. This is a lot
more stable, because our house
really isn't that much more.
It's not two times what we
bought it for, at this point.
It's just not. And that's over a
period, we've lived in that
house for about six years, maybe
almost seven years. I guess it's
about seven years today. So so
this is in seven years, it's
gone up a fair amount. But in
six months, this has gone up 2%.
So the market kind of adjust
that the fair market value of
California real estate right
now. It's not too far off,
right? So if you look at it like
a like whether it's stable or
not, it kind of looks like this.
Not too top heavy. Right? But if
we look at at rally right now,
it's like this, it's incredibly
top heavy. And it just needs
something to try and push that
off. So I just am so concerned
if we were to move right now,
that that market, what happens
when it goes underwater? So say
we bought this house? Where to
go? What if we bought this house
at 100 and at $350 a square foot
we bought that house for $350 a
square foot and then the market
corrects and let's say it goes
down to $250 a square foot well,
then we suddenly got this gap
here that we're underwater, not
necessarily underwater by in
terms of the loan cost depending
on how much we put down, right.
But the you know, we just lost
$100,000 in value of not 100,000
I think we just lost $100 a
square foot, much bigger number
in value. So what to do, I think
the only logical thing is
hunkered down hold tight on this
kind of real estate. So now
where are the opportunities then
given this? So the opportunities
are here they're in there in
real estate that is is going to
hold its value Still is good
value good properties out there,
there's properties below the
replacement costs that are able
to get, there are properties
that are have a fairly long, if
they have long enough trajectory
that you're planning out,
they're going to be fine. But if
you're planning on a quick flip,
it's just not going to hold. The
people who are flipping are
already getting in trouble,
right? Because the the flippers
are right here at the point
where they're paying the maximum
number of dollars that they can
pay for a unit. And their
margins are so narrow right now,
it's just a little tiny switch.
And suddenly, every one of them
is losing money. I mean, a lot
of them have been losing money
anyway, we saw this dip that
took place, actually, this year
for flippers, where they were
where if you looked at, like
time and margin. I mean, they
were doing really, really good.
Right, and then it's sunk. It
just became terrible, terrible
margins. And a lot of them went
out of business and lost a lot
of money. And now it's back up
where the margins are back high,
where they can where they can do
it. I mean, actually, it's not
that high, because the other
thing that drives the flipper
market is their renovation
costs. So their expenses have
gone sky high, because not only
are they having to buy into the
property very high. But
fortunately, growth is making it
so it'll still kind of work. But
the value of the labor and the
materials is just killing any
sort of long term prospect in
So while I'm still hot on the
markets that we talked about
that business.
before, Atlanta fee, Phoenix,
Seattle, I'm so hot on those
markets, I wouldn't be going in
for a short term, I'd be looking
for something where its price
per square foot is relatively is
low compared to the market, that
it is something that's going to
be desirable for a very long
time. And, and that's what I
would be mostly focused on. So
let's go ahead and turn a little
bit to, to financial analysis of
the soapbox about the state of
the market right now and how
frustrating it. But I think you
all know what that market is,
but don't let my my
procrastinations about the
market kind of dissuade that. So
again, there are great
opportunities out there, it
takes some work I've got, I
subscribe to a bunch of other
syndicators and I'm watching
every deal they do. I'm seeing
deal after deal after deal come
out of these guys. So there are
deals out there. And they're not
bad deals. And I've looked at
the numbers, and they all look
pretty good. And they look
believable, and they're not
making outrageous claims. So
there is great opportunity out
there plus, you've got a huge
amount of cash, that still
hasn't been put back into the
market yet. So you've got cash
sitting on both in the form of
just general like people who set
tend to save a lot, have saved a
ton. But there's also regular
people have just saved a lot of
money. We've also see Wall
Street putting in more and more
money into buying out companies
which creates liquid liquidity
events for your investors, which
means they've got money to put
invest into your real estate. So
there's plenty of opportunity
right now, that said, Would I
want to put all of my eggs in
one particular basket? No. But
that's why it's indication so
great, because I can not only
buy something in California and
Raleigh, I can buy something in
Ohio and Atlanta, and Charlotte
and Texas and Florida and
around. Right I can, Colorado is
a great market, I can put those
that money in to use is that
would be much, much smarter and
better. And so there's tons of
upside on syndication. There's a
lot of opportunity still to find
great deals, and there's going
to always be opportunity.
Because no matter what's going
on, there's always I'm just
talking right now about the big
picture that Mike the macrocosm,
of what's going on in the
economy. But really, real estate
is a micro game, right? So every
property is a little bit
different. Some properties do
really really well all the time.
Some do great in recession, some
do great in and big markets. You
know, it's just finding the
right thing, and something that
matches your fit, getting it
done and syndicated. So that's
how I look at a general market
cycle and where we're at at any
given point. Again, this video
is two years old, but the
information is still valid and
it's definitely you can see a
very methodical thought process.
If I can help you put together
your syndication, whether it's
for real estate for your
business, private equity,
anything like that, we'd be
happy to help. My name is Tilden
Moschetti. I focus exclusively
on Regulation D, Rule 506b and
506c syndications. My again
Tilden Moschetti of the
Moschetti Syndication Law Group